2016-11-19 - Re: [GRASE-Hotspot] Re: Block Windows and Apple Updates?

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From: Timothy White <ti***8@gmail.com>
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Reply To: <dd4f35a7-806f-499c-a965-d586523b3433@grasehotspot.org>
UTC Datetime: 2016-11-19 01:53:31 UTC
Raw Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 18:53:31 +1000

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Hopefully someone can find a solution that works. It's a bit sad that
companies are going out of their way to "break" systems that work according
to standards all in the name of faster updates. It's not good for the end
user.

I'll keep my eyes open for any working solutions.

Tim

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 6:29 PM, Sai <sa***i@emeraldtechs.net> wrote:

> Well... That does seem uncannily familiar. I happen to live in the U.S.A.
> on the west coast. Northern California to be exact. Perhaps the people in
> Australia are just being more proactive about online documentation of the
> problem. Not sure, but it does seem that W10 is usually the culprit and I
> haven't noted that W7 or W8/8.1 do the same. Apple Updates as well, I
> believe the apple products were either El Capitan or Sierra as well.
> Thanks again for taking the time to address my concerns.
>
> Cheers!
>
> On Friday, November 18, 2016 at 5:42:17 PM UTC-8, timwhite88 wrote:
>>
>> Not sure about Apple updates, but this certainly sounds like the issue
>> described here.
>> http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2530363
>> http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2016/06/08/is_win_10
>> _ignoring_sysadmins_qos_settings/
>>
>> Basically, my understanding is that it's "broken" tcp that isn't
>> correctly backing off like it should.
>>
>> Where about are you located? So far, suggests seem to be that it may only
>> be in Australia that the issue is there. I'll certainly try testing it out,
>> but it may be a few weeks before I can try as I just did the last round of
>> Windows 10 updates on my VM.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Sai <s.***.@emeraldtechs.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Speed tests give results as expected, regular downloads and web
>>> browsing, voip, video streaming, also don't bog down the network.  Whenever
>>> 100% network utilization is coming from the grase hotspot router I will
>>> visit the "Monitor sessions" page and note that the offender (sometimes
>>> only one computer on the network) is currently accessing Windowsupdate or
>>> Apple Updates. The problem doesn't seem to be in the configuration of
>>> groups at all as everything is tuned down to 1.5Mbps on a 20Mbps connection
>>> but when updates become active it starts using around 18-20Mbps and the
>>> internet slows to a crawl on any other devices. This behavior doesn't stop
>>> until I either manually open an elevated command prompt and run "net stop
>>> wuauserv" or disable automatic apple updates or until the offending
>>> computer logs off.
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 18, 2016 at 2:34:18 PM UTC-8, timwhite88 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Sai
>>>>
>>>> If you do a speedtest (like testmy.net) does it report the correct
>>>> bandwidth for the limited bandwidth? If not, I expect you have an issue
>>>> with your setup, maybe you aren't applying the group you expect to be
>>>> applying.
>>>>
>>>> The bandwidth limit is based on a "leaky bucket" so it can burst past
>>>> the limit, but should quickly settle down to the limit. I've not had any
>>>> situation where the limit isn't obeyed if the correct group is applied.
>>>>
>>>> Can you show us some of the group settings pages?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 2:52 AM, Sai <s.***.@emeraldtechs.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Any clue as to why the updates seem to punch through set bandwidth
>>>>> limitations and how to limit them?
>>>>>
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